Why can't I reraise ?

[runadrum]

I have noticed this before but don't know if only happens on Prima or everywhere and whether therefore I am missing some rule of the game ?

When BigDog raises all-in for $290 why did the software not give me the option to go all-in which is what I wanted to do ? The only options it gave me were to flat call or fold. OK I would still have lost to BigDog's 9 but you would like to think GoldenJaguar would have folded his 78os to my all-in !

Everything that followed after the flop was because I think I have been robbed !


** Game ID 809264742 starting - 2006-05-28 19:22:16
** Dream $500 Freeroll:Table 10 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (30.00|60.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money

- carlosworst sitting in seat 1 with $905.00 [Sitting out]
- GoldenJaguar sitting in seat 2 with $4730.00
- jenn31tx sitting in seat 3 with $685.00
- riversigh sitting in seat 4 with $1340.00 [Sitting out]
- AnytimeBaby sitting in seat 5 with $2610.00
- stevel2009 sitting in seat 6 with $895.00 [Dealer]
- BigDog02 sitting in seat 7 with $275.00
- runadrum sitting in seat 8 with $5490.00
- frekkefaen sitting in seat 9 with $940.00
- radebaugh sitting in seat 10 with $3000.00

BigDog02 posted the small blind - $15.00
runadrum posted the big blind - $30.00

** Dealing card to runadrum: King of Spades, Ace of Hearts
frekkefaen folded
radebaugh folded
carlosworst folded
GoldenJaguar called - $30.00
jenn31tx called - $30.00
riversigh called - $30.00
AnytimeBaby folded
stevel2009 folded
BigDog02 called - $30.00
runadrum bet - $210.00
GoldenJaguar called - $210.00
jenn31tx called - $210.00
riversigh called - $210.00
BigDog02 went all-in - $260.00
runadrum called - $290.00
GoldenJaguar called - $290.00
jenn31tx called - $290.00
riversigh called - $290.00

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Hearts, 8 of Clubs, 9 of Hearts
runadrum bet - $2340.00
GoldenJaguar went all-in - $4440.00
jenn31tx folded
riversigh folded
runadrum called - $4440.00
GoldenJaguar shows: 7 of Spades, 8 of Diamonds
BigDog02 shows: 9 of Diamonds, Queen of Diamonds

** Dealing the turn: 9 of Spades

** Dealing the river: 5 of Hearts
GoldenJaguar wins $8880.00 from side pot 1
BigDog02 wins $1450.00 from the main pot

End of game 809264742

[Ebor337]

Did u try sliding the slider?!

[runadrum]

no slider, just the two buttons - call or fold

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by runadrum

no slider, just the two buttons - call or fold

That is strange... you should have been given the option to reraise...

[Hodgey]

Is it because the initial re-raiser (Bigdog) is all in, so you can't reraise him cos he has nothing left to call with??

[GotaFancy?]

Different sites deal with it in different ways - however I can understand why you cannot reraise in this case.

Ignore BigDog for a sec.

Your "relationship" with GoldenJaguar - You bet and he called your bet, At that stage you are "equalised" - you can normally not reraise.

The complication here is BigDog - he raises all in which is slightly higher than your equalised position with GoldenJaguar - so the view is taken that you can only play to the size of the stack of BigDog - hence call or fold, NOT that your "eualised" position with GoldenJaguar is undone - as it would be if TopDog hadn't gone all in .......

Is that making sense?

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by GotaFancy?

Different sites deal with it in different ways - however I can understand why you cannot reraise in this case.

Ignore BigDog for a sec.

Your "relationship" with GoldenJaguar - You bet and he called your bet, At that stage you are "equalised" - you can normally not reraise.

The complication here is BigDog - he raises all in which is slightly higher than your equalised position with GoldenJaguar - so the view is taken that you can only play to the size of the stack of BigDog - hence call or fold, NOT that your "eualised" position with GoldenJaguar is undone - as it would be if TopDog hadn't gone all in .......

Is that making sense?

Not at all

But hey... what do I know...

[slapdash]

I'm not sure if this is saying the same as you in a different way, GaF, but the
usual rules are that if somebody goes all-in, thereby raising by less than what
would normally be the minimum allowed raise, then that doesn't reopen the
betting for other players.

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by slapdash

I'm not sure if this is saying the same as you in a different way, GaF, but the
usual rules are that if somebody goes all-in, thereby raising by less than what
would normally be the minimum allowed raise, then that doesn't reopen the
betting for other players.

Yeah, that makes sense... if the all in had been more than 1x BB Runadrum would have been able to reraise...

I don't know if that was what GaF meant either

[Hedonist]

I noticed something strange also, I think it was on Betfair, the blinds were 600 and 1200, I was on the small blind and put in 600, the big blind was all in with 450.

Two players called 450 and I was given the option of calling for less than I had already put in the pot.

[Prowler]

or to put it another way.....everyone has called your bet up to bigdog who has gone all in, as its not the legal amount for a reraise, everyone is only entitled to make up the bet to bigdog as its not classed as a reraise

[slapdash]

Originally Posted by Penelopeys

Yeah, that makes sense... if the all in had been more than 1x BB Runadrum would have been able to reraise...

The minimum reraise would actually have been $180, the size of the last
raise, so if he'd gone all-in for anything less than $390 then the betting
would not be reopened ... I think.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by slapdash

The minimum reraise would actually have been $180, the size of the last
raise, so if he'd gone all-in for anything less than $390 then the betting
would not be reopened ... I think.

correct!

[runadrum]

Thanks Guys

[Hodgey]

I think I've just had a similar situation, but I was able to re-raise:

** Game ID 810022898 starting - 2006-05-29 11:51:04
** $1,000 FREEROLL:Table 66 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (4000.00|8000.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money

- tsakari sitting in seat 1 with $76872.50
- DoughyAce sitting in seat 2 with $28240.00
- Marci117 sitting in seat 3 with $16400.00
- twoess sitting in seat 4 with $12040.00
- G312T sitting in seat 5 with $5432.34
- Sleekshot sitting in seat 6 with $115845.00 [Dealer]
- Flopdrive sitting in seat 7 with $33460.72
- trijulian sitting in seat 8 with $1171.32
- BrockRvr sitting in seat 9 with $6370.00
- MattyLRose sitting in seat 10 with $84353.24

Flopdrive posted the small blind - $2000.00
trijulian posted the big blind - $4000.00

** Dealing card to Sleekshot: 4 of Clubs, 4 of Hearts
BrockRvr folded
MattyLRose folded
tsakari called - $4000.00
DoughyAce folded
Marci117 folded
twoess folded
G312T folded
Sleekshot called - $4000.00
Flopdrive called - $4000.00
trijulian went all-in - $1171.32
tsakari called - $5171.32
Sleekshot called - $5171.32
Flopdrive called - $5171.32

** Dealing the flop: 6 of Diamonds, 6 of Clubs, Ace of Hearts
Flopdrive checked
tsakari checked
Sleekshot checked

** Dealing the turn: Jack of Clubs
Flopdrive went all-in - $30289.40
tsakari folded
Sleekshot folded
Flopdrive shows: 8 of Diamonds, Ace of Diamonds
trijulian shows: 10 of Hearts, Queen of Spades

** Dealing the river: 3 of Spades
Flopdrive wins $20685.28 from the main pot

End of game 810022898

[Mr Intensity]

Hodgey, I think that's because the other two guys in the pot had loads of chips, so you're allowed to reraise from the 5K to your 115K and put them all in with 33K and 76K. So you can make much more than the minimum reraise which would be 10K.

[Hodgey]

Originally Posted by Mr Intensity

Hodgey, I think that's because the other two guys in the pot had loads of chips, so you're allowed to reraise from the 5K to your 115K and put them all in with 33K and 76K. So you can make much more than the minimum reraise which would be 10K.

But I don't see the diff between my hand and runa's?

Ah - apart from the fact that run was first to act after the all in, and I was 2nd to act - maybe that's it?

[Mr Intensity]

But I don't see the diff between my hand and runa's?

Oops, neither do I. Glad I don't play live, just accept the rules

[slapdash]

Hmm, these are both Prima sites, aren't they? So it can't be because they're
using different rules.

The only difference I can see is that in Hodgey's hand, the all-in was the
first bet that wasn't just a call.

[Masterplan]

i think slap has it about right there, hodgeys hand the guy doing the inital raise wasnt capped, he was the raiser, so other players can raise on top. however if there had been a raise and a call already the under-raise rule would have come into effect(had the guy enough chips to raise the bet just a little)