STT - AA first hand

[SpurMan]

Voted raise.

Wanted to vote: Raise, except on VC where Aces always get mullered where you should fold!!!

[radiolasvegas]

I agree with Foolsgold on this one. I only really play Low-Limit STTs and would hope for a caller or two if I pushed all-in, often with rubbish.

I'd expect to finish in the money every time if I started the game with twice anyone elses chips.

In my opinion it's worth the risk of going out 1st hand for that long-term 80%+ chance of doubling up.

[Valiant23]

I'm going to be honest here.

First hand in an STT people generally want to play, so they'll chuck their chips in for almost anything.

So. I will flat call (risky I know, but....).

EVEN if the person after me just min. raises, you will find that all the others will call THAT raise at least. Maybe you'll get some one who thinks they can represent AA and go all in.

The fact is when it came round to me with all those chips already committed I will push all in, and take my chances.

It can put as much as another 20% of dead 'money' in the middle and STILL leave you heads up. It will also make the other players wary of your sneaky plays.

(btw First time I had KK in a live game I flat called then re-raised all in to a raise... and managed to get out there alive )

On the other hand if I limp and no one raises I'll be quite happy to lay it down in the face of an unfriendly flop and go back to waiting for them to knock each other out.

[Bozza]

I voted for Raise.

The amount of the raise depends on the players and the stack they have. I always hope to get someone out of his cave and force an all in on him. With AA I prefer 1 on 1 so the raise must let couple of others fold. Lately, I've been playing STT & MTT @ DreamPoker and we sit with 5 peepz at a table so getting a 1 on 1 isn't so hard.

I've been lucky lately with AA. Most of the times I do a nice raise and someone else thinks: what the heck, a call is almost every single chip I have so let's just go all in. And that's the way uhu uhu I like it!

[Penelopeys]

Definitely a raise... maybe 4 or 5 times BB... to get only 1 or 2 callers...

NEVER an all in hand from starters... you would only pick up the blinds unless there were any Hungarians at your table... (yes, still bitter about yesterday )... and he would probably outdraw you on turn AND river...

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by Valiant23

First hand in an STT people generally want to play, so they'll chuck their chips in for almost anything.

So. I will flat call (risky I know, but....).

Is that really your experience with first hands in stt's???

Mine is completely the opposite... Most are very tight in the first hands...

Myself... I hope to get such bad cards that I can fold them in the 3 first rounds... To make everyone THINK I am really tight... THEN I start bullying

[Valiant23]

Yeah mate I see it quite a lot on the low level tables when you get UTG limping, then the next thinks 'why not' etc., and before you know it you have 7 players limping, and almost always the last to act puts a min. raise in.

[Masterplan]

Originally Posted by Penelopeys

Is that really your experience with first hands in stt's???

Mine is completely the opposite... Most are very tight in the first hands...

Myself... I hope to get such bad cards that I can fold them in the 3 first rounds... To make everyone THINK I am really tight... THEN I start bullying

pen hun dont you normally play $100+ buyin stt's tho?
most of us here are referring to the play on low limit <$20 and micro limit <$5 stt's, 2 or 3 callers after an all in first hand is common

[PAULM03]

Originally Posted by Valiant23

I'm going to be honest here.

First hand in an STT people generally want to play, so they'll chuck their chips in for almost anything.

So. I will flat call (risky I know, but....).

EVEN if the person after me just min. raises, you will find that all the others will call THAT raise at least. Maybe you'll get some one who thinks they can represent AA and go all in.

The fact is when it came round to me with all those chips already committed I will push all in, and take my chances.

It can put as much as another 20% of dead 'money' in the middle and STILL leave you heads up. It will also make the other players wary of your sneaky plays.

(btw First time I had KK in a live game I flat called then re-raised all in to a raise... and managed to get out there alive )

On the other hand if I limp and no one raises I'll be quite happy to lay it down in the face of an unfriendly flop and go back to waiting for them to knock each other out.

Agree with that entirely, limp to get the ball rolling then re-raise any raises all-in. You can almost gurantee there's at least one person in this particular situation who thinks you're bluffing and will call you.

[Penelopeys]

Originally Posted by Masterplan

pen hun dont you normally play $100+ buyin stt's tho?
most of us here are referring to the play on low limit <$20 and micro limit <$5 stt's, 2 or 3 callers after an all in first hand is common

Well, not NORMALLY $100 stt's... but once in a while...

I normally play $50... and sometimes $30... and I guess you are right that the game is a lot different with a higher buy in... That is one of the reasons I play higher stake... so I can be the ONLY muppet there

[Chewie2000]

I think your all right..

lower limit I would definately push all-in early into the STT structure (hands 1-10) if I get callers great, If i dont Im setting my table image exactly how i want it (maniac aggresive) which will play into my hands later

Higher stakes.. limp early position looking for a raise or raise (aggresively) from a late position and wait for the fireworks,... and if your on Stars cross your fingers coz u know those Aces are going to get cracked

slaters taters

[Valiant23]

- 6 here...

[The Rivers]

On low limits i think i would go all-in because i have often seen lunatics doing this with any cards at the start of a tourney. And with nobody knowing who i am or what kind of player i am then hopefully they will mistake me for one of these. There could quite possibly be someone holding something like pocket 10's, AJ or even kings, (would anyone fold kings in this situation?) and they might think they have the best hand.
And if everyone folds i would be disapointed, but there's been plenty of times i've had aces and everyone has folded to me on the BB, or i've made a raise and got no action. So i think i'd get over it and just try and win some chips with lesser hands as usual.
MTT's (especially freerolls) are probably the best time to do it on the first hand. But that's just stating the obvious.

[philossify]

Me - depends on position - early on, especiailly as first better I'd put in a small raise - just double the blind - and hope that someone raises my bet or goes all in - at that point II'd go all-in when it got back round to me.

In late position, especially for $10 STTs or less then its all-in, unless theres no other callers of BB so far and I know (from notes of previous encounters) that theres an aggressive SB/BB player in which case I'd consider just limping in and hoping they raise it.

Middle position its a coin toss between the two above.

[Doddsy]

It depends on the position and if I have any history/notes with any of the players at the table. In early position, I would raise maybe twice the big blind but if I was in late position or on the button and there was a lot of callers or no raises, I would go all in.

[jeffers]

2nd hand of an STT just now...

** Dealing card to jeffers_81: King of Spades, King of Hearts
240204 folded
VanBam folded
gernasha folded
BossKief called - $20.00
BisseBert raised - $80.00
Tank2006 called - $80.00
johan_haren folded
jeffers_81 raised - $140.00
Sale70 folded
jerannjay folded
BossKief folded
BisseBert raised - $200.00
Tank2006 folded
jeffers_81 went all-in - $830.00
BisseBert went all-in - $640.00
BisseBert shows: Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts

Guess I could never have gota way from that

[guesswest]

The EV is the same heads up vs 5 way, to whoever said that - though obviously your chances of winning the hand aren't the same.

Think more or less everyone agrees that if there's a way to get all your chips in and get called pre-flop that you want to. So it's just a question of how best to achieve that. To answer that you'd need to know what stakes it is, how many people are sat down, if anyones sat out, any notes you have on players, blind structure etc - not enough info to answer.

But my gut instinct here is to side with V's suggesting, limp hoping to come over the top of a subsequent raise.

To whoever said they see an all-in first hand of a STT about 50%
of the time - I dunno where you play, but I hardly ever see this, 1 in 100 maybe? Where are you playing??

[mrmuzeman]

Stick in a healthy raise, any other option is just poor play imo. Despite what some people are saying, its a lot more likely than not you wont get called if you just go all in straight off the bat like that.

I can see why some are saying all in cos you do see some muppet play for sure. I mean if somebodys already put in a healthy raise before you its a more viable option.

[mrmuzeman]

I dont agree with the limp. Youd have to have information on a crazy player to your left to do that, and you dont have this information 1st hand in a tournament.

[AJ]

To whoever said they see an all-in first hand of a STT about 50%
of the time - I dunno where you play, but I hardly ever see this, 1 in 100 maybe? Where are you playing??

That was me, I mostly play on the lower limit stt's on prima, the lower the table limit the more likey you are to see it. I once played a $1 5 players turbo, 4 players went all in first hand (I wasn't one of them), 2 of them spilt the pot with AK