Horse Racing Glossary / Q&A

[RussP]

Originally Posted by Trotter

For Flat racing I've found the following somewhere on the web.........

I thought maybe you could use this list along with the 'Patternform' site to identify those front running handicappers who've been running on unsuitable tracks to get their mark down, then suddenly switch back to Ripon, chester, Hamilton etc............


Front Runner Track Suitability.

Below is a pecking order of track suitabilty to front runners. The order is based on four years research of actual, not projected, running habits in handicap races.

Ripon
Chester
Hamilton
Haydock
Chepstow
Folkstone
Beverley
Kempton
Yarmouth
Newmarket Rowley
Salisbury
Thirsk
Nottingham
Catterick
York
Pontefract
Windsor
Musselborough
Wolverhampton AW
Southwell AW
Leicester
Doncaster
Warwick
Carlisle
Epsom
Redcar
Ayr
Lingfield
Newmarket July
Ascot
Goodwood
Bath
Brighton
Newcastle
Newbury
Sandown
Lingfield AW

Trotter,
Quality bit of info, although a few surprises. Where did you find that, mate? Looks really useful stuff for my favoured type of racing...THE FLAT!

[Trotter]

Originally Posted by RussP

Trotter,
Quality bit of info, although a few surprises. Where did you find that, mate? Looks really useful stuff for my favoured type of racing...THE FLAT!

It's from here........

http://www.sireform.com/

I haven't looked round the rest of the site as i think you have to suscribe.....

[SpurMan]

Can anyone tell us what the ex7 means in this form line? Is it to do with extra weight for its win?

F/246-31

Atouchbetweenacara (IRE) (ex7) 4

7

11-5

Miss V Williams

P C O'Neill

101

Ta!

[BillyHills]

Spur Man,
You are correct, the 7lbs extra is allotted for the horses win last time out, it is awarded beacuse its running before the next set of handicap ratings have been published. Handicap marks or ratings are changed each week on a Tuesday for the Sat/Sun period previous. Basically if a horse runs within a week of winning the handicapper hasnt had chance to reasess the horse so its given a penalty for its improvement.

Full article here but copied the bit you may want aswell.

http://www.britishhorseracing.com/in...ndicapping.asp

Penalties
There are occasions when a horse will win a race after the weights for a future race the horse is entered to run in, have been allotted. In these cases a horse will be given a penalty for the up-coming race to take into account the improvement in the horse’s performance, which is not yet officially recognised due to the ratings only being updated weekly.


Might be of interest to some, found an interactive Racing Post racecard which explains lots of stuff to beginners, just hover the mouse over the card and the explanation is at the bottom.

http://www.pi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/test/RPcard.html

[gbettle]

Howdy all,

I hope this message finds everyone well - roll on the weekend.

Does anyone know what the £ Penalty means in a Racecard?

i.e. from Sporting Life:

Thursday March 20 2008
Ludlow 14:30

Racing Post 'hands And Heels' Series Selling Hurdle (con/am)
£4500.00 added, 4-7yo, 2m, Class 4, £2928.00 penalty
11 runners
Going: Good

Many thanks!

Cheers,

Garry

[stewartd14]

I think, but I'm not quite sure, its the amount the winner gets for winning the race. So the £4000 is the total prize pool and its £2928 to the winner.

Thats what I always thought it was anyway !!

[gbettle]

Thanks Stewartd14,

God, why the f**k would the industry call it a Penalty?

Probably done by the same people that write Hants when they want to shorten Hampshire!

Thanks again,

Garry

[Cassius Marcellus]

This thread cannot be complete without a glossary of a few different bets.

Win single - Should read win single figure.
You have to win under £10 or it's made void.

Win double - A bet you have that normally gives you one winner and another horse beaten in a photo.

Win treble - sometimes known as the dieting bet. Used primarily to get your weight down in the days before Betfair.
Your first two selections win at big prices, then you can't eat or sit still until the last one runs. One poor chap back in 1980 had a 33-1 winner and a 25-1 winner going on to an even money shot that night at the dog track. He went for a walk, which developed into a trot, others joined in for fun, and this was how the London Marathon started.

Each-way bet - A real value bet on a horse at 33-1 that will finish 4th in an 8 horse race or 5th in a 16 runner handicap.

Round Robin (a.k.a. The Dawn French) Fat bird seen on telly at Xmas.

Ante-post bet - A bet at 50/1 that will be withdrawn when it gets as low as 4/1

Yankee - a multiple bet consisting of 11 bets in 6 doubles 4 trebles and an accuumulator, that you will get up once every Pancake Friday

Goliath - Big fcuker turned over at 1.01 by skinny kid named David.

[Trotter]

Originally Posted by gbettle

Thanks Stewartd14,

God, why the f**k would the industry call it a Penalty?

Probably done by the same people that write Hants when they want to shorten Hampshire!

Thanks again,

Garry

I think the reason it's called the penalty is that for future races the race conditions might say something like........

Penalties.......for winner of a race worth £ 3000 - 3lbs, for winner of a race worth £ 5000 - 7 lbs, for winner of a race worth £ 10,000 - 10 lbs.

This race is worth £ 2928..........to the winner.........so you could enter that future race without a penalty 'cos it's under the £ 3000

If the amount had been £ 3001 to the winner, you would get a 3 lb penalty in that future race.

That's why they call it 'the penalty value' of the race..........it relates to future entries.

[Guy Fawkes]

Originally Posted by Trotter

I think the reason it's called the penalty is that for future races the race conditions might say something like........

Penalties.......for winner of a race worth £ 3000 - 3lbs, for winner of a race worth £ 5000 - 7 lbs, for winner of a race worth £ 10,000 - 10 lbs.

This race is worth £ 2928..........to the winner.........so you could enter that future race without a penalty 'cos it's under the £ 3000

If the amount had been £ 3001 to the winner, you would get a 3 lb penalty in that future race.

That's why they call it 'the penalty value' of the race..........it relates to future entries.

Awesome!!!

I have wondered that for ages! So simple now you say it!

[gbettle]

Many thanks Trotter,

Cheers,

Garry

[gbettle]

Howdy All,

Hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Can anyone help me with an explanation of the following 4 columns?

TIME/F, COMPARISON, COMP per F and ALLOW:

http://tinyurl.com/25f8zf

RACE

WINNER

DIST

TIME

TIME/F

COMPARISON

COMP per F

ALLOW

TS

RPR

OFFICIAL GROUND

TIME BASED GROUND

2:30

Rosie´s Glory

2m1f

4m 25.10s

15.59s

+29.60s

+1.74s

-1.53s/f

87

—

Soft

Heavy

3:00

Isn´t That Lucky

2m1f

4m 22.60s

15.45s

+27.10s

+1.59s

-1.53s/f

122

—

Soft

Heavy

3:30

Ballabriggs

3m½f

6m 39.30s

16.3s

+39.30s

+1.6s

-1.53s/f

114

—

Soft

Heavy

4:05

Lysander

2m4½f

5m 35.30s

16.36s

+35.30s

+1.72s

-1.53s/f

107

—

Soft

Heavy

4:40

Fresh Winter

3m

6m 8.80s

15.37s

+34.80s

+1.45s

—

—

—

Heavy

—

5:10

Art Virginia

2m1½f

4m 57.60s

17.01s

+45.60s

+2.61s

-1.53s/f

24

—

Heavy

Heavy

5:45

Lady Myfanwy

3m½f

7m 5.90s

17.38s

+17.38s

-1.53s/f

17

—

Heavy

Heavy

Cheers,

Garry

[Trotter]

Hi gary.........

Just take the first race.......

Time/F is the time per furlong, so in that first race it's the total time divided by 17 furlongs.

Comparison is the time of the race compared to a 'standard time' for the course and distance

Comp per F if the comparison per furlong..........so in this race it was run at 1.74 seconds per furlong above ( or slower than ) the 'standard time'

Allowance........having seen all the races and got all the race times the 'speed buffs' then try and work out the effect of the going on race times by comparing todays times against a set of 'standard times' for the course based on races of a standard class of races on good going. The allowance is an attempt to determine how much the going is responsible for slowing the horses down in todays conditions


In this case the speed buffs reckon that the ground was responsible for slowing all horses by 1.53 seconds per furlong.

So.......if, for example, a horse had run at 1.53 seconds per furlongs slower than 'standard time'.........the going allowance would be taken off and he would be credited with having run the standard time for the purposes of working out his speed rating.

[gbettle]

Hi Trotter,

Many thanks!

Cheers,

Garry

[Carl]

Some great info in here lads.

One thing Ive learnt about racing is there's always something new to learn

[gbettle]

Howdy all,

Can anyone help me with a description of the following gear abbreviations?

I've pulled them from the Racing Post:

b
e
e/s
eb
et
etb
h
hb
hct
hp
p
t
tb
tp
tv
v

Cheers,

Garry

[Trotter]

b - blinkers
e - eyecover
e/s - eyeshield
eb - eyecover & blinkers
et - eyecover & tonguestrap
etb - eyecover, tonguestrap & blinkers
h - hood
hb - hood with blinkers
hct - hood, tongue strap and.........erm, cigar ?..........
hp - hood with cheek pieces
p - cheek pieces
t - tongue strap
tb - tongue strap & blinkers
tp - tongue strap & cheek pieces
tv - tonguestrap & visor
v - visor


I've guessed at a few of those based on the rules of racing..........

(a)

If a horse is to run in a hood, blinkers, visor, eyeshield, eyecover, sheepskin cheek pieces or a tongue strap a declaration to that effect must be made to the Racing Calendar Office by the time fixed for making declarations to run under Order 124(ii) and in the manner laid down for making declarations.

(b)

If a horse is to run in a hood fitted with blinkers both must be declared as must any combination of hood, blinkers, visor, eyeshield, eyecover or sheepskin cheek pieces.

Pretty sure that cheek pieces are 'p' so I'm not sure what 'c' is.........

[gbettle]

Thanks again, Trotter.

Happy Betting,

Garry

[Cassius Marcellus]

Pretty sure that cheek pieces are 'p' so I'm not sure what 'c' is.........

Curtains over the jockeys cap.

Closed when the horse approaches Bechers or The Chair

[gbettle]

Cassius,

LOL!

Cheers,

G.