Horse Racing Glossary / Q&A

[gbettle]

Howdy all,

Hope this email finds everyone well.

Does anyone know of a site where I could download the form of a horse that ran in a race in the past?

It seems that a form is only available for "todays" race - it's not included in the archive of previous results from the Racing Post or Sporting Life.

Many thanks!

Cheers,

Garry

[TheRat]

Would like to know this too
Maybe something I could add to my site!

[Trotter]

I might be missing something here.........

But.......if you go the horses lifetime form on either the Life or Post site.....and you're interested in it's form before, say, the 2007 Gold Cup........well, you just look at it's races prior to that race and that's it's form before that race.........

Is it not that simple ?...........

[TheRat]

Originally Posted by Trotter

I might be missing something here.........

But.......if you go the horses lifetime form on either the Life or Post site.....and you're interested in it's form before, say, the 2007 Gold Cup........well, you just look at it's races prior to that race and that's it's form before that race.........

Is it not that simple ?...........

On the RP site I entered Red rum and Shergar as examples and they show up, but no form is available or stats

[gbettle]

What I'd like to see is the Form column - see below.

Sure, we can see it today. But I want to look back and see the form as well as the result for this race tomorrow\next week.

Does it exist somewhere?

Cheers,

Garry

2008-04-11 2:55 RITZ CLUB NOVICES' CHASE

No.	Form	Horse	Trainer RTF %		Wgt	Jockey
1	521213	Gentle John 34	P J Hobbs 73	6	11-8	Richard Johnson
2	34U341	Keepthedreamalive 15	R H Buckler 29	10	11-8	A Coleman(5)
3	F/6541	Fandani 45	C J Mann 43	8	11-4	Noel Fehily
4	-90740	Keltic Moon 59	N J Gifford 0	7	10-12t	Jay Pemberton(7)
5	236420	Orpen Wide 31	M C Chapman —	6	10-12	David Cullinane(5)
6	3F7-UU	The Preacher 6	K J Burke 0	5	10-12b	Mr M Deady(7)

[mowgli77]

It exists on RP site by looking at previous form but won't be displayed as a formline. It will be a list of results that you can go into and you can see the form by looking at past results:

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22Mar08

Wol

9St

Cl5

Hc,2K

8-7

1/9

3½L, Merrymadcap[5/2F] 9-3 b

Tom Eaves

63

64

78

—

—

06Mar08

Wol

9St

Cl6

Hc,1K

8-13

2/10

½L, Rebellious Spirit[15/8F] 9-10 b

Phillip Makin

60

61

69

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23Feb08

Wol

9St

Cl6

Hc,2K

8-12

1/8

2L, Mighty Mover[6/1] 9-2 b

Phillip Makin

54

65

66

FULL

FIN

01Feb08

Kem

8St

Cl6

Hc,2K

9-0

4/7

3L, Katiypour[9/4F] 9-0

Phillip Makin

55

43

57

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26Nov07

Lin

10St

Cl6

Hc,2K

8-13

5/14

1¾L, Stark Contrast[13/2] 9-2

Oscar Urbina

55

33

60

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06Nov07

Lin

8St

Cl5

ApHc,3K

8-8

5/8

1½L, Satin Braid[3/1] 8-13

M C Geran

57

56

60

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15Oct07

Lin

8St

Cl6

ApHc,3K

9-1

4/10

3L, Seneschal[10/1] 9-1

Ashley Morgan

58

30

56

FULL

FIN

15Sep07

Kem

11St

Cl6

Cl,2K

9-9

8/11

8½L, Atlantic Gamble[16/1] 9-4

Oscar Urbina

63

45

53

In this case formline would be 1-2-1-4-5-5-4-8

The one thing missing from RP is how other horses have done from a specific race. They have racecheck in the RP paper but not on the site as far as I know.

[Trotter]

What Garry wants seems to be Racecards from previous days racing........

I don't know of anywhere on the internet where these are 'stored'.......but I'll have a search round............

[Trotter]

The nearest I can find is at Adrian Masseys 'Previous Ratings' section..........

http://www.adrianmassey.com/rat/index.php


This is how they appear .......in descending order of his ratings ( the POS figure is the race result ).........but it shows form, odds, weight, Age, days since last run and the ratings........

1:30 Sandown 2 Feb 2008 Handicap Chase (Class 2) Soft 19K 2m 8 Ran

Pos	Horse	Form	Odds	Weight	Age	Days	Runs	Min	Max	Rating
4	MAGIC SKY	5-98742365	11-2	11-7	8	37	5	644	813	732	*****
6	TANIKOS	0P-P3830-2	5-1	10-4	9	21	1	489	672	726	(6)
2	ALMAYDAN	4264-45123	6-1	11-2	10	21	4	642	709	702
3	NATAL	14172-F428	7-2	11-7	7	42	2	632	741	684
1	VINMIX DE BESSY	0F712-23F1	15-2	10-2	7	44	2	558	639	683
5	KALCA MOME	128206-130	8-1	11-12	10	32	3	621	801	675
8	BLEU SUPERBE	1-P02F3F15	12-1	10-11	13	28	3	540	728	643
7	PUBLICAN	F016-8-0F3	5-1	10-11	8	38	3	484	697	631

The site has all the 'cards' going back to 2004.

[gbettle]

Thanks Mowgli77 & Trotter.

Happy betting,

G.

[Trotter]

I'm thinking of following the better class 2YO races this season and I've been compiling a list of the group races in the UK, Ireland and France to help keep a handle on the form.......

Here's the first 3 months of the 'Pattern' which gets underway in June


June

02 June 2008 NAAS Swordlestown 6 Furlongs G3
17 June 2008 ASC Coventry 6 Furlongs G2
18 June 2008 ASC Queen Mary 5 Furlongs G2
19 June 2008 ASC Norfolk 5 Furlongs G2
20 June 2008 ASC Albany 6 Furlongs G3
29 June 2008 CURR Railway 6 Furlongs G2

July

06 July 2008 M-L Bois 5 Furlongs G3
09 July 2008 NEWM Cherry Hinton 6 Furlongs G2
10 July 2008 NEWM July Stakes 6 Furlongs G2
11 July 2008 NEWM Superlative 7 Furlongs G2
13 July 2008 CURR Anglesey 6 Furlongs G3
16 July 2008 LEOP Silver Flash 7 Furlongs G3
24 July 2008 LEOP Tyros 7 Furlongs G3
26 July 2008 ASC Princess Margaret 6 Furlongs G3
27 July 2008 CURR Phoenix 6 Furlongs G1
27 July 2008 M-L Robert Papin 5.5 Furlongs G2
29 July 2008 GOOD Molecomb 5 Furlongs G3
30 July 2008 GOOD Vintage 7 Furlongs G2

August

01 August 2008 GOOD Richmond 6 Furlongs G2
03 August 2008 DEAU Cabourg 6 Furlongs G3
10 August 2008 CURR Debutante 7 Furlongs G2
11 August 2008 NEWM Sweet Solera 7 Furlongs G3
19 August 2008 YORK Acomb 7 Furlongs G3
21 August 2008 YORK Gimcrack 6 Furlongs G2
23 August 2008 CURR Futurity 7 Furlongs G2
23 August 2008 DEAU Calvados 7 Furlongs G3
24 August 2008 DEAU Morny 6 Furlongs G1
25 August 2008 GOOD Prestige 7 Furlongs G3
30 August 2008 SAND Solario 7 Furlongs G3
31 August 2008 CURR Tower 6 Furlongs G3
31 August 2008 CURR Moyglare 7 Furlongs G1

[Trotter]

..........and the last 3 months.........


September

06 September 2008 KEMP Sirenia 6 Furlongs G3
07 September 2008 LONG La Rochette 7 Furlongs G3
11 September 2008 CHANT D'Arenberg 5.5 Furlongs G3
11 September 2008 DONC May Hill 8 Furlongs G2
12 September 2008 DONC Flying Childers 5 Furlongs G2
12 September 2008 DONC Champagne 7 Furlongs G2
14 September 2008 CURR National 7 Furlongs G1
15 September 2008 CHANT D'Aumale 8 Furlongs G3
20 September 2008 AYR Firth Of Clyde 6 Furlongs G3
20 September 2008 NEWB Mill Reef 6 Furlongs G2
20 September 2008 LONG Chenes 8 Furlongs G3
27 September 2008 ASC Royal Lodge 8 Furlongs G2
27 September 2008 ASC Fillies Mile 8 Furlongs G1
28 September 2008 CURR Weld 7 Furlongs G3

October

02 October 2008 NEWM Tattersall 7 Furlongs G3
03 October 2008 NEWM Cheveley Park 6 Furlongs G1
03 October 2008 NEWM Middle Park 6 Furlongs G1
05 October 2008 LONG Grand Criterium 7 Furlongs G1
05 October 2008 LONG Marcel Boussac 8 Furlongs G1
06 October 2008 NEWM Oh So Sharp 7 Furlongs G3
10 October 2008 St CLO Thomas Byron 8 Furlongs G3
11 October 2008 ASC Autumn 8 Furlongs G3
11 October 2008 ASC Cornwallis 5 Furlongs G3
13 October 2008 CHANT Eclipse 6 Furlongs G3
18 October 2008 NEWM Dewhurst 7 Furlongs G1
18 October 2008 NEWM Rockfel 7 Furlongs G2
19 October 2008 LONG Conde 9 Furlongs G3
21 October 2008 DEAU Resevoirs 8 Furlongs G3
25 October 2008 DONC Racing Post 8 Furlongs G1
25 October 2008 NEWB Horris Hill 7 Furlongs G3
27 October 2008 LEOP Killavullan 7 Furlongs G3

November

02 November 2008 ST CLO Crtierium International 8 Furlongs G1
04 November 2008 M-L Criterium De M-L 6 Furlongs G2
04 November 2008 M-L Miesque 7 Furlongs G3
12 November 2008 ST CLO Criterium De St CLO 10 Furlongs G1

[BillyHills]

Some of you stats guys might find this useful, results archive and much more.

Results

BH

[Guy Fawkes]

Just came accross this - this will no doubt help novices to the racecard.

http://www.pi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/test/RPcard.html

[gbettle]

Howdy all,

Sorry if this too technical but I thought I might as well ask here than anywhere else ...

I'm trying to automate a download from the Racing Post website - specifically, a days' race cards.

i.e.

Restricted Access

I've done some coding in a programming language - python - but it never gets past the, "Restricted Access" page. So, I don't think my code is correct.

Are there any python experts here, with previous experience of scraping the Racing Post website?

Cheers,

Garry

[gbettle]

Hi,

Hope this finds everyone well and that you had nice weekend.

I've seen quite a few entries for the sex of a horse = h.

Does anyone know what that means?

This is specifically from the Racing Post:

i.e.

DIAMOND HOMBRE (USA) 6-y-o (24 Feb 2002) gr h

racing horse form - www.racingpost.co.uk

Many thanks!

Cheers,

Garry

[Trotter]

Hi garry

'H' just stands for 'Horse'

Colts and Fillies become Horses and Mares from age 5 ( I think it's 5.....)

[gbettle]

Thanks Trotter,

I thought as much.

Happy betting,

Garry

[gbettle]

Howdy all!

Hope this message finds every well - roll on the weekend!

Quick question regarding a Horse's form ( from Adrian Massey's brilliant site):

[IMG]file:///C:/Money%20Hills.jpg[/IMG]

( NB: If the above image doesn't come through, I'll repost.)

2006-04-04, Money Hills's form was 087490-. The previous race, when he came 13th, was in 2005 so "0" ( >9th) and "-" are added to the form. Fine.

His first race in 2007 was 324 days later, and the 8th Position from the 2006-04-04 race is added to the form, but with a "/" instead of a "-". So, the form that day is, "087490-8/"

My question is why a "/" and not a "-"? 324 days is not greater than or equal to 12 months, which is what I thought "/" meant.

Many thanks!

Cheers,

Garry

[gbettle]

Racekey Horse PosDaysForm
2005-06-17 Newmarket 20:40 Money Hills 13
2005-07-03 Brighton 15:00 Money Hills 8 16 0
2005-08-03 Yarmouth 17:45 Money Hills 7 31 08
2005-09-13 Yarmouth 14:20 Money Hills 4 41 087
2005-09-17 Lingfield 12:25 Money Hills 9 4 0874
2005-10-03 Brighton 14:10 Money Hills 13 16 08749
2006-04-04 Southwell 15:00 Money Hills 8 183 087490-
2007-02-22 Huntingdon 15:35 Money Hills P 324 087490-8/
2007-03-16 Fakenham 13:45 Money Hills 9 22 087490-8/P
2008-04-30 Great Leighs 19:50 Money Hills P 411 7490-8/P9/